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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/cramer-orders-masses-to-sell#comment-1626</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony G,

Yes, the BLS is simply comical.

While there are some traders who feel relieved by the "good" jobs number, it won't be enough to spark a substantial rally. After all, on Thursday the SPX could only muster a 1-point advance in the wake of the "good" news. And that 1 point was a gift because the market closed before oil soared in the afternoon.

That move up in oil was no accident either. It is being driven by the jobs numbers more than anything else. Playing on the long side here is very risky.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony G,</p>
<p>Yes, the BLS is simply comical.</p>
<p>While there are some traders who feel relieved by the &#8220;good&#8221; jobs number, it won&#8217;t be enough to spark a substantial rally. After all, on Thursday the SPX could only muster a 1-point advance in the wake of the &#8220;good&#8221; news. And that 1 point was a gift because the market closed before oil soared in the afternoon.</p>
<p>That move up in oil was no accident either. It is being driven by the jobs numbers more than anything else. Playing on the long side here is very risky.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Tony G</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/cramer-orders-masses-to-sell#comment-1625</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I wouldn't go long based on BLS (or BS) data, but i can just see the fools on cnbc arguing that things aren't that bad because jobs aren't declining at an alarming pace.  i just checked to see how many jobs came from the birth/death model and its just ridiculous.  the BS model assumes we created about 175k jobs. i took the clip below from one of Mish's blogs:

Here is the pertinent snip from the BLS on Birth/Death Methodology.
The net birth/death model component figures are unique to each month and exhibit a seasonal pattern that can result in negative adjustments in some months. These models do not attempt to correct for any other potential error sources in the CES estimates such as sampling error or design limitations.
Note that the net birth/death figures are not seasonally adjusted, and are applied to not seasonally adjusted monthly employment links to determine the final estimate.
The most significant potential drawback to this or any model-based approach is that time series modeling assumes a predictable continuation of historical patterns and relationships and therefore is likely to have some difficulty producing reliable estimates at economic turning points or during periods when there are sudden changes in trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I wouldn&#8217;t go long based on BLS (or BS) data, but i can just see the fools on cnbc arguing that things aren&#8217;t that bad because jobs aren&#8217;t declining at an alarming pace.  i just checked to see how many jobs came from the birth/death model and its just ridiculous.  the BS model assumes we created about 175k jobs. i took the clip below from one of Mish&#8217;s blogs:</p>
<p>Here is the pertinent snip from the BLS on Birth/Death Methodology.<br />
The net birth/death model component figures are unique to each month and exhibit a seasonal pattern that can result in negative adjustments in some months. These models do not attempt to correct for any other potential error sources in the CES estimates such as sampling error or design limitations.<br />
Note that the net birth/death figures are not seasonally adjusted, and are applied to not seasonally adjusted monthly employment links to determine the final estimate.<br />
The most significant potential drawback to this or any model-based approach is that time series modeling assumes a predictable continuation of historical patterns and relationships and therefore is likely to have some difficulty producing reliable estimates at economic turning points or during periods when there are sudden changes in trend.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ray,

I have a large QID position and may add to it if the market is able to bounce. I took profits on my SKF and rolled some of the cash into XLF puts, so my position is the same there. I haven't been trading gold, but I'm guessing it will be OK as the dollar crumbles. I don't think the S&#038;P will be able to hold the March low for much longer, so I consider any rally to be a gift for shorts.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ray,</p>
<p>I have a large QID position and may add to it if the market is able to bounce. I took profits on my SKF and rolled some of the cash into XLF puts, so my position is the same there. I haven&#8217;t been trading gold, but I&#8217;m guessing it will be OK as the dollar crumbles. I don&#8217;t think the S&#038;P will be able to hold the March low for much longer, so I consider any rally to be a gift for shorts.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, 

I'm a relatively new trader and have 1/4 in QID, 1/4 in SKF, and 1/2 in GLD.  I am thinking about gradually moving more into QID and SKF and am wondering what you might think of that.  Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a relatively new trader and have 1/4 in QID, 1/4 in SKF, and 1/2 in GLD.  I am thinking about gradually moving more into QID and SKF and am wondering what you might think of that.  Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony G,

If you want to go long on the BLS data, save yourself the commissions and just send me your money. ;-)

Glad you like the blog.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony G,</p>
<p>If you want to go long on the BLS data, save yourself the commissions and just send me your money. <img src='http://www.trivisonno.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Glad you like the blog.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Tony G</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, i am rather surprised at how strong the BLS NFP figures have been. i think we could rally next week as people make claims that the economy will be ok b/c the jobs data is pretty resilient.  however, this assumes oil doesn't gap higher during the week and people don't panic over the wknd.  holidays such as july 4 bring people together and they discuss how good or bad things are.  i have  a feeling that most of the discussions will be along the lines of how much it cost to fill the tank, how much food prices increased, where am i cutting back to save money, how much has the house depreciated, etc.  I think we are getting very close to that capitulation point where Joe Blow pulls his money out of equities and into cash to save what he has left.  

Great blogsite btw!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, i am rather surprised at how strong the BLS NFP figures have been. i think we could rally next week as people make claims that the economy will be ok b/c the jobs data is pretty resilient.  however, this assumes oil doesn&#8217;t gap higher during the week and people don&#8217;t panic over the wknd.  holidays such as july 4 bring people together and they discuss how good or bad things are.  i have  a feeling that most of the discussions will be along the lines of how much it cost to fill the tank, how much food prices increased, where am i cutting back to save money, how much has the house depreciated, etc.  I think we are getting very close to that capitulation point where Joe Blow pulls his money out of equities and into cash to save what he has left.  </p>
<p>Great blogsite btw!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi visuall,

The market moved ahead of the jobs release due to a widely circulated whisper number over 100k. So, the jolt came Wednesday afternoon rather than Thursday morning. Oil also moved up sharply once again just as it did with the June jobs report. The job losses are far worse than anybody is thinking, and are what is really crushing the market.

I'm waiting for the SPX to close below the March intra-day low. It won't be long.

We haven't had a lot of pre-announcements, but I think the theme for earnings will be "Not too bad, but terrible guidance." The market will not like that.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi visuall,</p>
<p>The market moved ahead of the jobs release due to a widely circulated whisper number over 100k. So, the jolt came Wednesday afternoon rather than Thursday morning. Oil also moved up sharply once again just as it did with the June jobs report. The job losses are far worse than anybody is thinking, and are what is really crushing the market.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting for the SPX to close below the March intra-day low. It won&#8217;t be long.</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t had a lot of pre-announcements, but I think the theme for earnings will be &#8220;Not too bad, but terrible guidance.&#8221; The market will not like that.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry,

All of my ideas about the withholding data are posted on that page. The situation is &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; bad. 

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry,</p>
<p>All of my ideas about the withholding data are posted on that page. The situation is <i>very</i> bad. </p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crimson Ghost,

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote "stick a fork in the XLE". The big institutions are definitely unloading stock there, just like everywhere else. But there has been no effect on the price of oil. Oil is being driven more by the jobs numbers than anything else right now. Iran is less important than you think it is. I still think oil will be the very last thing to crack. Oil will crack the global economy, the stock market will crash, and then oil will follow it down. Waiting for a crack in oil to save the market is the worst investment strategy that I can think of.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crimson Ghost,</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago, I wrote &#8220;stick a fork in the XLE&#8221;. The big institutions are definitely unloading stock there, just like everywhere else. But there has been no effect on the price of oil. Oil is being driven more by the jobs numbers than anything else right now. Iran is less important than you think it is. I still think oil will be the very last thing to crack. Oil will crack the global economy, the stock market will crash, and then oil will follow it down. Waiting for a crack in oil to save the market is the worst investment strategy that I can think of.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Ghost</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the price of oil may be holding up but the XLE has turned down sharply. And the stocks often lead the commodity.

Those betting on a confrontation with Iran and further sharp hikes in oil prices to crash the markets are going to lose that bet IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the price of oil may be holding up but the XLE has turned down sharply. And the stocks often lead the commodity.</p>
<p>Those betting on a confrontation with Iran and further sharp hikes in oil prices to crash the markets are going to lose that bet IMHO.</p>
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