Friday’s Trading – 8/27/2010

If you are bearish, you have company – lots of it.

63 Responses to “Friday’s Trading – 8/27/2010”

  1. George says:

    That’s why I can’t stand watching Cramer. He’s sooo irritating.

    He asks why everyone is going to be surprised tomorrow when they should expect bad news from the get-go. If anyone should understand why, it should be him.

    Has he forgotten how the “game” is played? That’s the dynamics of the market. That’s what makes it great for trading. If there was no volatility, for whatever reason – or no reason, we’d all have to pack it up and go home.

    Cramer… get a job! Give your show up to ease our suffering. :)

    Now I won’t be able to sleep I’m so fumed.

  2. George says:

    The “you have company” link was great. So many bears could get caught in a x-fire. I may have to watch Cramer to see how “he told us so”.

  3. 2thfixr says:

    Thanks George. So far, so good. Booh-yeah skeedaddy. :-) Nice day for me all around.

    I agree Matt, looking for dip below 1040 and that’ll unload all of the SDS I’ve put together from 1106 and 1057. I’ll still hold just a sliver of the core position in case something goes haywire, but that much company makes a bear like me worry a little. Once one side of the boat gets crowded, getting out and going to cash (me) or going long (P and G) seems to be the play. Still see downside from here, but I’m thinking a bounce or short squeeze may be in the cards sometime soon. I’ve made nice coin on this move, and it is getting a little long in the tooth, time to play cautiously.

    GLTA and TGIF

  4. 2thfixr says:

    Overnight crew is doing their best to pump up the indices/futes though. Japan down .50% (sympathy from our move today, I know) but futures hitting daily highs as I write this. Late POMO money going to work when the volumes are lighter?

  5. Mitch says:

    Hey, it could be worse; interest could be “up” while the stock market’s down:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRfZ4ZkXWkQ

    News from the “hole” today won’t get the crops out of the field.

  6. after says:

    spoos up 7.5 as i type…i just want to get out of GLW at cost, then i’ll go back to palling around with all the bears !

    Mitch, how long till hockey preseason games ? can’t wait, after all nearly no place but up for a 29th place team !

  7. George says:

    Mitch,

    I wouldn’t have picked the “hole” to discuss the economy. Speaking of whch (economy), more trading regulations and tracking from the Fed will be introduced next year. I’ll post a link to the “Emergency Economic Stabilization Act” (meaning, more taxes and more/bigger government).

  8. after says:

    going back to the previous post on Mr. C, i see the screen puts out the idea of HNZ and ED…decent yield if you buy both, i noticed though both stocks are near their 52 week highs…

  9. George says:

    SPY’s 15min channel. There’s room either way for a move.

    http://i37.tinypic.com/5jvbdc.jpg

  10. 2thfixr says:

    G, the 15-min 36 MA held the move up from this mornings “great” revision…okay, less bad….

    Nice work on the channel.

  11. George says:

    2th,

    I forgot that today begins Month-End effect. That should put a few coins on the bull side.

  12. Bob Carver says:

    The crowd is absolutely correct in the middle of a trend.

  13. scotty says:

    The RSI has plenty of room to run short and long term up,why has the market stalled here??

  14. scotty says:

    Tech leading up,now leading down

  15. phil says:

    bob carver

    any relation to MARKET CLUES

  16. phil says:

    scotty

    look at the spx futures chart …you will have your answer

  17. 2thfixr says:

    SChwab conditional alert didn’t trigger at the low this AM, so my trade didn’t fire to lock in profits. Just got off the phone with support and the gap from 1041 to 1042.xx at 10:09 nullified by “less than 1042 gain 2 TS” tigger. Damn. Needless to say, I’m hot. They offered me 10 free trades….I told them to stick it..they give hundreds away for signing up/transfers. Sooooo…with that one-in-a-million shot out the door, I guess I’m stil looking for a 1040 violation WITHOUT a gap up that nullifies my trigger. sheeshh…..gotta go be a dentist and enjoy life in Vegas….at least I’m up at the tables! Thanks for listening. GLTA.

  18. phil says:

    main ignition of boosters…

    target 15 spx points higher

  19. George says:

    2th,

    They should make good on that. I hate it when I lose because of the broker’s system.

  20. George says:

    SPY 15min channel update.

    I’m ready for the broken uptrendlne to be tested with a SPY pullback.

    http://i33.tinypic.com/1zp18x1.jpg

  21. phil says:

    G

    are your seat belts fastened for liftoff ???

  22. phil says:

    G

    want to hear something funny???

    i now own more TBT than bonds….i am no longer bond king

  23. Mitch says:

    Seems the crowd could run to 1008 no problem. Got the news cycle & tame vix. Why not spike it on down ignoring all the sweet talk?

  24. George says:

    p

    You’re still Bond King, just in the opposite direction. :)

  25. phil says:

    G

    had to buy a few 10 yr notes here….( i cant help myself)

  26. George says:

    p

    Bernake says there may be more stimuli coming which should help those SPY gaps above.

  27. phil says:

    G

    schwab is excellent….i had an order to buy bonds outstanding for about 15 min…..they executed it right at top tic on TBT so far and saved me 2k

  28. George says:

    The “Cramer Trade”: He sez sell, BUY! Where’s a crow when you need one? :D

    But I regress… the day isn’t over yet. Just enough green to make bears purple.

  29. George says:

    p

    Thanks to 2th’s rant you got a good fill. LOL!

  30. phil says:

    G

    i was selling TBT and the bond buy order hit my screen 3 seconds later….i almost thought it was a confirm of my TBT trade but that doesnt normally happen on screen….

  31. phil says:

    G

    you are a riot………..

  32. George says:

    p

    TNX up +1.378.

  33. George says:

    SPY looks to be consolidating intraday. It has moved up after its 9/36/15 so no immediate Humpty.

  34. Mitch says:

    phil,

    5 yr notes were making a bump in the curve before the auction. Is there now a divet?

  35. phil says:

    G

    taking SCHX profits here……overlap at 1055 would be a problem…i am going to T M A R ….now

  36. Jim says:

    Phil: What’s your opinion on UNG here?

  37. phil says:

    Mitch…

    just glanced at 2yr to 10 yr and it looks pretty smooth right now

  38. phil says:

    JIM..

    ung was 64bucks now its 6 bucks…i guess some day it will bottom..i wouldnt want to guess when…i would look elsewhere to trade

  39. Jim says:

    Phil: Thanks. I am sooo tempted to buy some here.

  40. Mitch says:

    I have new greeks for you Joan:

    Delta -0.255
    Gamma 0.108
    Rho -0.005
    Theta -0.021
    Vega 0.025
    Impd Volatility 38.30

    I went ahead and bought this one :)

  41. phil says:

    JIM…

    go for a walk until the temptation goes away

  42. Jim says:

    Phil: It’s a beautiful day here, so I’ll take your advice.

  43. phil says:

    2 th said today

    “this move, and it is getting a little long in the tooth, time to play cautiously”

    was that pun intended?…..

  44. Bob Carver says:

    What a trading day!

  45. Mitch says:

    Bob,

    You’re right. Waves overlapping cause some of the volatility.

  46. George says:

    SPY broke the new support trendline and is back-testing it.

    http://i35.tinypic.com/3322omg.jpg

  47. Mitch says:

    ruh roh

  48. George says:

    wong way?

  49. Mitch says:

    George,

    Yeah, I almost got caught on the wrong side of that line. LOL. Out and in w/ minimal damage. I couldn’t catch a bid one way so I cut it back the other way and BAM! ;)

  50. George says:

    I used the full body in that chart. Here’s another using the shadow/wick low.

    http://i38.tinypic.com/fuopjo.jpg

  51. phil says:

    G

    whats your guess for monday??

    gap up and create island reversal on spy to trap bears…or not??

  52. phil says:

    G

    i dont care .. i will have no position till monday morning…not playing that game this week……lol hasta!!

  53. George says:

    Shorts needed an excuse to cover to take profits and they got one. Didn’t matter whether it was good or bad news, the market was ready to turn.

    Now it’s the bull’s turn to take profits.

  54. George says:

    The immediate looming SPY gap is finally filled.

  55. George says:

    Oops, correction – I was looking at the wrong candle.

    SPY needs a few more cents to fill the gap and it could do it before market close.

  56. buzz says:

    Hey all – been lurking but not posting for a while. George I knew you’d be pulling for the gap-fill. The question is, when happens when that gap gets filled. More rally on bad news, or resumption of down-slope?

  57. George says:

    Nice Cramer day! I should catch his show to see what he says.

  58. George says:

    Here’s an updated MOO/DOO. This is a 2-hour chart in order to keep all the data on the screen.

    http://i34.tinypic.com/rwt0qt.jpg

  59. George says:

    buzz,

    Good question about the next move. My daily still shows downtrend until the upper resistance trendline is broken.

    During my recent eye-busting studies, I’ve found that trendlines should be drawn following a chosen MA – or two.

    My “X” marks the spot is done by drawing a line following a MA while using the previous low body (no shadows or wicks, only the body) for an uptrend and high body for a downtrend.

    The object is to keep the trendline above or below the MA, wait for the next candle to see if it closes below the trendline.

    It isn’t known beforehand which MA should be charted. The lower the value of the MA, the more whipsaws. On the other hand, doing both at the same time produces the best results. In other words, track-n-trade a 3MA along with a 9MA, etc.

    For strictly daily swing trading the best approach could be to use a 5MA or 9MA and trade those trendlines. It doesn’t matter what previous candles have done, only the current candle. Using the MACD or stochastic along with a trendline is an additional tool.

    Here’s a SPY example.

    http://i37.tinypic.com/2w7eg6q.jpg

  60. George says:

    More.

    While it may seem that merely using two MAs to cross would be a simpler approach, it isn’t. First, MAs lag one or more candles. During volatile price moves, I’ve seen it lag 50% of the move.

    Secondly, MAs can cross during an uptrend or downtrend at a breakeven or loss. The same goes for any oscillator, like the MACD.

    The trendline solves a bogus move of an oscillator. An additional benefit is that it is an extention of a MA if and when it lags. And it can eliminate using multiple screens the way I use them.

    I’m still tweaking this and I’ll have more later.

  61. George says:

    Here’s the CCI I’ve been playing with on a SPY weekly chart. Shows the sell is still valid. I’m finding that the 8 SMA on the chart does a good job with triggers. Either the CCI cross of the 100 lines or its break of the 8 SMA is valid.

    http://i35.tinypic.com/vzipee.jpg

  62. George says:

    That’s the 8 SMA on the CCI, not the price.

  63. 2thfixr says:

    Nope Goerge, Schwab says their software (StreetSmart.com) worked as it should (and unfortunately, I agree–it was just the way the market traded that caught me with the gap up from 1041.68 to nearly 1043) so no fill for me. Since I still believe in the trend being down, I just couldn’t book the profit where I wanted to, so I’ll wait. Would have been nice to book the profit and sit on the cash to re-enter (rinse, repeat, etc…). Suffice it to say, I’ll be looking for a different platform to use that offers greater control over “unattended” trades.

    Glad everyone played well on Friday. I learned a ton at the conference, will practice differently on Monday, and partied like I was 21 in Vegas. Pass the aspirin please… :-)