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		<title>By: Matt Trivisonno&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Barron&#8217;s Picks-Up on My End-of-Tech-Rally Theme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Trivisonno&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Barron&#8217;s Picks-Up on My End-of-Tech-Rally Theme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] days ago, I posted about how I thought that the waves of retail buyers coming into tech were receding in number. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/is-the-market-running-out-of-baby-seals/comment-page-1#comment-766</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,

I worry about all the same things:

1) The Bernanke Put - I think the last release of the FOMC minutes was the Fed saying to the markets: &quot;You&#039;re on your own.&quot; It may have even been a green light to the bears to take down a few banks. I understand that both Lehman&#039;s and Merrill&#039;s CDS insurance is spiking...

2) Commodities Collapse - I think that is coming, but see my note to Larry above. With Dow Chemical kicking off the recent wave of giant price-hikes, commodities could even spike much higher as an inflation hedge.

3) Low Rates - Yes, low rates are certainly a catalyst for stocks, but maybe not just yet. On November 6th 2001, Alan Greenspan lowered interest rates to 2%. It took the stock market over a year to bottom after that. We have only just gotten down to 2%.

In addition, if the market were to move to new highs here, then this would be one of the longest bear-market rallies in history and a strong hint that the economy is expanding and a new bull market has begun. Maybe that&#039;s possible, but I don&#039;t see any fundamental indicators that would even remotely suggest it.

Jim Cramer is the only person actually worrying about the economy expanding too fast. He is worried that Friday&#039;s jobs report will show too many jobs created which would cause the Fed to tighten in a panic! Maybe he&#039;s right, but I think that he&#039;s lost his mind.

I think that the smart money is selling hard to the dumb money here. While it is true that a tsunami of retail investors could overwhelm the smart money (quantity has a quality all its own), I&#039;m siding with the smart money. If the economy were actually expanding, I would join the baby seals!

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>I worry about all the same things:</p>
<p>1) The Bernanke Put &#8211; I think the last release of the FOMC minutes was the Fed saying to the markets: &#8220;You&#8217;re on your own.&#8221; It may have even been a green light to the bears to take down a few banks. I understand that both Lehman&#8217;s and Merrill&#8217;s CDS insurance is spiking&#8230;</p>
<p>2) Commodities Collapse &#8211; I think that is coming, but see my note to Larry above. With Dow Chemical kicking off the recent wave of giant price-hikes, commodities could even spike much higher as an inflation hedge.</p>
<p>3) Low Rates &#8211; Yes, low rates are certainly a catalyst for stocks, but maybe not just yet. On November 6th 2001, Alan Greenspan lowered interest rates to 2%. It took the stock market over a year to bottom after that. We have only just gotten down to 2%.</p>
<p>In addition, if the market were to move to new highs here, then this would be one of the longest bear-market rallies in history and a strong hint that the economy is expanding and a new bull market has begun. Maybe that&#8217;s possible, but I don&#8217;t see any fundamental indicators that would even remotely suggest it.</p>
<p>Jim Cramer is the only person actually worrying about the economy expanding too fast. He is worried that Friday&#8217;s jobs report will show too many jobs created which would cause the Fed to tighten in a panic! Maybe he&#8217;s right, but I think that he&#8217;s lost his mind.</p>
<p>I think that the smart money is selling hard to the dumb money here. While it is true that a tsunami of retail investors could overwhelm the smart money (quantity has a quality all its own), I&#8217;m siding with the smart money. If the economy were actually expanding, I would join the baby seals!</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry,

I think we need a crack in the global economy before we see a meaningful crack in the price of oil. I think that is coming, but last week&#039;s pull-back in oil might just have been some traders taking off positions that didn&#039;t exactly conform to the spirit of the law now that the futures markets face tougher regulation. 

In addition to the credit-tightening you cited, many countries like Indonesia are dropping their fuel subsidies because they can&#039;t afford them any more. Prices will rise sharply and demand will be reduced in those countries.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry,</p>
<p>I think we need a crack in the global economy before we see a meaningful crack in the price of oil. I think that is coming, but last week&#8217;s pull-back in oil might just have been some traders taking off positions that didn&#8217;t exactly conform to the spirit of the law now that the futures markets face tougher regulation. </p>
<p>In addition to the credit-tightening you cited, many countries like Indonesia are dropping their fuel subsidies because they can&#8217;t afford them any more. Prices will rise sharply and demand will be reduced in those countries.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt:

You may be correct in your assessment of current market conditions.  I can cite several technical reasons why we&#039;re still in bear market mode (and, of course, many many fundamental reasons).  For the most part I share in your bearish enthusiasm.  However, whenever I start to feel &quot;certain&quot; about the market&#039;s direction I like to think about what could change the scenario.  Here&#039;s the potential problems I see with the bear case (I am sure you can think of more than these): (1) the Bernake put; Bernake&#039;s actions (which were recklass in my opinion) have emboldened traders to believe that any negative action can be swept away by the federal reserve;  (2) possible commodity collapse (or just plain vanilla weakness);  if it occurs, players could interpret it to be beneficial to the markets in general thereby causing a lift in the averages; and (3) unreasonably low short term rates;  where are retail investors looking for a decent return on investment?  Housing prices?  Not likely.  Commodities?  See #2.  Bonds?  Perhaps, but even though the long yields have been ticking up, there doesn&#039;t seem much value there.  So the market could be the vehicle of choice by default.

Sorry for such a long post.  

Regards,

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:</p>
<p>You may be correct in your assessment of current market conditions.  I can cite several technical reasons why we&#8217;re still in bear market mode (and, of course, many many fundamental reasons).  For the most part I share in your bearish enthusiasm.  However, whenever I start to feel &#8220;certain&#8221; about the market&#8217;s direction I like to think about what could change the scenario.  Here&#8217;s the potential problems I see with the bear case (I am sure you can think of more than these): (1) the Bernake put; Bernake&#8217;s actions (which were recklass in my opinion) have emboldened traders to believe that any negative action can be swept away by the federal reserve;  (2) possible commodity collapse (or just plain vanilla weakness);  if it occurs, players could interpret it to be beneficial to the markets in general thereby causing a lift in the averages; and (3) unreasonably low short term rates;  where are retail investors looking for a decent return on investment?  Housing prices?  Not likely.  Commodities?  See #2.  Bonds?  Perhaps, but even though the long yields have been ticking up, there doesn&#8217;t seem much value there.  So the market could be the vehicle of choice by default.</p>
<p>Sorry for such a long post.  </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m betting the farm too. And I will join you when it turns up again, but I fear it might take longer than we currently guesstimate. 2010 at the earliest.

In the meantime, do not let short-term noise distract you. 

As for oil, look out below, China, India and Vietnam are tightening the money supply to combat inflation. Russia, Ukraine, S Africa, Argentina will be forced to follow very soon before Zimbabawe-like inflation starts to creep in. Credit continues to tighten in USA and EU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m betting the farm too. And I will join you when it turns up again, but I fear it might take longer than we currently guesstimate. 2010 at the earliest.</p>
<p>In the meantime, do not let short-term noise distract you. </p>
<p>As for oil, look out below, China, India and Vietnam are tightening the money supply to combat inflation. Russia, Ukraine, S Africa, Argentina will be forced to follow very soon before Zimbabawe-like inflation starts to creep in. Credit continues to tighten in USA and EU.</p>
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