Monday’s Trading – 6/1/09

Make sure to see the Box of Miracles post prior to this one.

115 Responses to “Monday’s Trading – 6/1/09”

  1. Stringm says:

    Found this link and it looks interesting, but doesn’t help me much. What do y’all think?

    http://www.edu-tech.co.za/eduvideos/may2009/18.5.2009/18.5.2009.htm

  2. K says:

    if we break below 925 at anytime today and hold I would consider this thing over with.

  3. Julie says:

    String,
    Please consider the following 3 steps to start
    your journey to a 6 figure income: 1) google
    …traders-talk.com…click on New Market Analysis
    Area and read “McMillan Market Commentary.”
    Larry usually posts on Thursday and gives you
    a concise overview of the market, charts, and
    buy/sell signals. 2) Visit Larry’s site and sign-up
    for a 3 month trial to the “Options Strategist”
    for $29.00. If you take the trial, you do not need
    to visit traders-talk. 3) Attend one of Larry’s
    seminar’s. Gives you the opportunity to pick
    the brains of some of the top traders.
    If you do not take the trial, be sure to visit
    traders-talk weekly. Also suggest you do not
    read all of the posts on traders-talk in the
    new market analysis area…it will confuse you
    at this point in time.
    You are not stupid. If a girl who almost flunked
    high school can make a 6 figure income;so, can
    you.
    Best of everything.

  4. Yerk says:

    Julie, Celente is stronger on the bearish side, isn’t he? As we are moving from a financial into an institutional crisis things have the potential to get very tricky. The powers that are know very well what’s going on – and they want to win the war like they claim to have won 2000ff. I see them winning a smaller battle now, but not the war and they didn’t win 2000. Moving from a financial to an institutional crisis will effect the markets. The unabated push for centralization and control makes this problem even more pressing. If gold then buy small coins – and don’t let them get confiscated…

    Matt, I really like the names of the boxes. Banks need a miracle to move higher, but miracles are not in short supply these days.

  5. Dressguard says:

    GM going belly up and everybody cheering. Funny. More market share in an overall smaller market for the good carmakers. This is real capitalism. :mrgreen:

  6. Stringm says:

    Julie

    Thanks for the info I will check it out. I have Larry’s book on options. Hard read for me but a lot of good info. The greeks get me though. If I could generate 80K, I could give half to the church and still be in fat city. I have more money now than I can drink up, but I would like to give the kids some.

    String

  7. Julie says:

    Yerk,
    Thanks. Celente and my Grandfather are on
    the same side…bearish. Sounds like you
    agree with my Grandfather…we should
    pump our profits into gold…coins.

    Hope you have a great trading day.

  8. Julie says:

    String,
    Larry’s 3 month trial is the best deal we
    know about…gives you a ton of info
    plus hotline info. Don’t let all the info
    overload you…one small step at a time…
    and don’t let your children know when
    you are making a 6 figure income unless
    you have plenty of room for them to
    live with you.
    Have a great day.

    Julie

  9. MKB says:

    Points to ponder (Greek sophism):

    1. Cash out now (whilst your buck still has a rack)
    2. Cash out later (more risk premium -potential to bring more $ to the table – you’ll need more)
    3. Stay in (buying reflation and capitalizing on inflation – buy rubber bands)
    4. Buy commodities (hedge against likeminded monkeys causing a boost to your inputs. If there is a recovery there’s a dual win here, which could have been the same dual logic for shorting treasuries – mountains of new originations and a recovery)
    5. Keep working because you are not the center of the world (although you might think so).

  10. MKB says:

    Btw:

    Gold is one too many conversions from a cheeseburger & freedom fries (Julie?).

  11. Yerk says:

    MKB you do miss the most lucrative #6, though getting in a suitable position is not that easy:
    http://www.alternet.org/story/140327/?page=entire
    Institutional crisis.

  12. George says:

    TNX doing its gyrations. Up +1.77.

  13. admin says:

    On January 6th, the high was 943.85, but the close was 934.70. So, if the SPX were to close right here, it would be a major milestone.

  14. admin says:

    Breaking out of a 50 point range means another 50 point move. That would be 930+50=980, though perhaps not all in one day…

  15. admin says:

    If there is a fly in the ointment today, it is the XLF which does not have a new rally high yet.

  16. Julie says:

    Matt,
    Are you calling for a blow-off top???

  17. MKB says:

    Yerk:

    Head of Economic Council on the Board of a company pushing “Revolution Money.” I digress.

  18. George says:

    SKF readying for a move up to some degree.

  19. admin says:

    Julie,

    No. I spent the weekend writing TradeStation code, so I didn’t study my charts, and I’m not up-to-speed on my big-picture analysis. I’m just making observations as I go along today.

    Matt

  20. George says:

    SPY broke out over the horizontal channel. Is it a good break, or a bad break… remains to be seen.

  21. George says:

    Matt,

    Dang, you’re a coder too? Like Stringm.

  22. Julie says:

    Matt,
    Thanks. Hope things went well with your coding.

    Julie

  23. George says:

    Stringm,

    I haven’t forgotten about the autotrading rules. Still working.

  24. admin says:

    George,

    Yes, I have a bachelors degree in Computer Science, and decades of experience.

    Matt

  25. admin says:

    First-hour volume in SPY was the strongest since April 2nd.

  26. admin says:

    TradeStation has the McClellan Oscillator at 127.34 right now. That is still below the overbought level. If the market wants to take out 944 today, it has room on the MacOS to do so.

  27. Stringm says:

    Matt

    You don’t have any trouble at all in converting the scripts I send George into Trade Station do you? You can see what they doing right?

    String

  28. Julie says:

    Matt,
    On exhaustion moves like to see at least
    a 25% increase in volume. Does that
    sound right to you?

    Julie

  29. admin says:

    Stringm,

    Yes. SD code is pretty easy to read.

    Matt

  30. admin says:

    Julie,

    I haven’t studied exhaustion moves in detail, so I will take your word for it.

    Matt

  31. admin says:

    TradeStation has the final floor-trader resistance level (R3) at 947.16 today.

  32. Yerk says:

    Institutional buying came back on Friday. Why should they be exhausted today?

  33. Julie says:

    Matt,
    Never take my word…only Gods.

    Julie

  34. admin says:

    TBT is rallying yet again. It is making a 9/36/15 cross-up right now.

  35. George says:

    “Never take my word…only Gods.”

    Amen to that. Especially during “senior moments” where it’s easy to flub something.

  36. Stringm says:

    Matt

    Does TS have backtesting capabilities? Does TS have an event capture method? For example can a MA cross on a one time frame, say the 60 minute, be the trigger and then start testing the 5 minute. SD does not have a good way that I have found. I can test for it happening 1,2,3,4 bars back, but I can’t tell what bar the cross occurred on. I can, but it takes a ton of test lines which is a pain.

    String

  37. George says:

    Wow, Matt,

    Computer Science degree + that much experience should put you in the drivers seat.

    Stringm must have a technical background too?

  38. Julie says:

    Yerk,
    I know you read Bill McLaren’s report from
    time-to-time. He says the classic exhaustion
    move is 4 big up days with at least a 25%
    increase in volume. Today is day 3 in the
    up day’s…don’t know about volume yet.
    Exhaustion moves to a top or bottom must
    be quick…big moves each day.
    But as my Grandfather always tell us…”if
    it’s obvious, it’s wrong.”

    Julie

  39. Julie says:

    $trin 3 DMA has moved to overbought…
    …10 DMA has moved to neutral.

  40. George says:

    The M/E effect or trading scheme, is to buy 2 days before M/E and sell 3 or 4 days after M/E. We still have a couple more days to go. In previous years, that was always profitable, often in the 30-40% range. I haven’t kept up with that so I’m not sure what the stats are now.

    Also, everyone that thinks they are missing a ride to the moon are piling on. This bus doesn’t go anywhere unless it is loaded. When it’s over-loaded, it crashes.

  41. Julie says:

    George,
    I like the over-loaded bus analogy.

    Julie

  42. George says:

    Julie,

    Tks

    BTW, do you trade long-term? Cycles? And do you have draw-downs with your trading method?

    Thanks

  43. Yerk says:

    Julie,
    the will of the shorts must be broken. Avoiding Celente is only feasible by creating a positive mood.
    [Caveat: Never trust people following well-founded conspiracy theories]

    George – pardon, what is M/E?

  44. George says:

    Yerk,

    Sorry, M/E = Month End.

  45. Julie says:

    George,
    We trade the intermediate term trend (SPX 20 DMA)
    using futures. We trade short term corrections using
    options…we like the DJX options…OEX and SPX options
    have become overpriced. We maintain a margin of
    twice what we need…try to place our stops to avoid
    major damage to our margin. We also use stops on
    options in case we are wrong about the correction.
    You play the odds, but you can never be right every
    time, and that is why we allow for a drawdown in our
    margin, but are still able to play the game. For a
    person just starting to trade futures, we think
    they should start with the mini DOW or mini S&P
    and work their way up.
    Hope that answers your question.

    Julie

  46. Yerk says:

    George, thanks. From what I read, there seem to be some places left in the bus which has gapped out of the station…

  47. Julie says:

    George,
    Note that the SPX 20 EMA is lagging the
    SPX 20 DMA…not a sign of a healthy
    market.

    Julie

  48. admin says:

    String,

    I don’t know yet. I’m still learning TradeStation, though it strikes me as a pretty impressive programming language so far.

    Matt

  49. George says:

    Julie,

    Yes, that is an excellent description. You folks are truly professionals using futures and options.

    I am looking for different trading methods. This is going to sound crazy, but I believe if I had a method where I had reasonable draw-downs, I’d actually make more profit. I did some research on that over the weekend using SKF with 9/36/15 and I was amazed at the results. Each month this year had unprofitable trades using this scheme, but overall the months ended up with a nice profit. I’m going to apply that to other stocks and see how they come out.

    I need to learn to give up my control of trades and let the numbers do the walking. I did that in the past and it worked out well. Now, I think about it too much, that I have to be setting here watching every squiggle. I’ve put myself into a position where I HAVE to do that due to my trading time frame and scalps.

    I’m not complaining. I luv it, but I need to find a way to put more of my funds to work simultaneously without constant vigilance. Let them sit and hatch so-to-speak.

    Besides, I need more time for cooking and cleaning. :)

    Thanks

  50. George says:

    Yerk,

    Those seats are getting filled quickly. Soon there will be folks hanging off the sides of the bus… until the next bump.

  51. Julie says:

    George,
    Time for cooking is okay, but give up the
    time for cleaning. It took a lot of effort
    to work-up to futures. But we think they
    give you leverage…biggest return. Options
    are next. Since we don’t trade stocks, we
    could be wrong. But we think trading stocks
    has more risk than index futures or options.
    One little piece of bad news can sink a stock
    quickly.
    If you change your trading style…backtest
    and paper trade it first.
    Good luck.

    Julie

  52. George says:

    Julie,

    “…but give up the time for cleaning.” I LIKE THAT. ;)

    Huh, I thought it was the other way around – that futures and options were more risky.

    I learn something every day.

    Thanks

  53. junglegirl says:

    Yerk,

    Remember a short time ago we were wondering about the timing of the GS offering? I know you read ZH, and this may explain why: that offering was only the first.

    http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/goldman-says-to-expect-another-200.html

  54. junglegirl says:

    INDU 200 DMA 8765. Getting close.

  55. Julie says:

    George,
    Bad news about one stock in an index will
    not sink it…but it will sink the stock.
    …never take my word…only God’s.

    Julie

  56. George says:

    JG,

    From that article: “GS = Government Sachs”. How funny.

  57. George says:

    SPY last gasp of stratosphere air?

  58. George says:

    I’m using Renko charts on SSO. The only problem with them is they can change signals on a bar sometimes. They don’t follow the exact price. Instead, they eliminate time and paint direction.

  59. Julie says:

    Yerk,
    We put-in a trailing stop and moved our
    target to 965…our exhaustion guess
    and end of the line for the bus.

    Julie

  60. Yerk says:

    junglegirl,

    I remember your call well. The article links nicely with the one about Lear earlier today. +10% up on bankruptcy filing. This market is still dislocated and shorts are to be squeezed. Too bad, all the ones which did their homework and went after the bad company have to take the losses. Crowded trade in a market inflated by government intervention. Unsustainable, but still not over.

  61. Yerk says:

    Julie,

    :-) and good luck! My bus has more seats … will monitor the occupancy closely

  62. admin says:

    George,

    Nice call on SPY back here. It had been rising in a bearish wedge, so it was due for some sort of spill.

    Matt

  63. Julie says:

    Yerk,
    If(?) this wave takes the same time
    as the prior one, we should look
    for a top June 4th. And if we get
    a top then, I owe Paula $100.00.

    Julie

  64. George says:

    Wow, big upside spike on SDS 1min Scottrader chart all the way to $55.80.

  65. George says:

    That SDS spike is on SD also to $55.80, currently at $53.30.

  66. junglegirl says:

    Yerk,

    Does your bus have government plates?

  67. junglegirl says:

    SPX weekly 50 DMA sits at 978. That could resist the weeds. Check out intermediate (2) of P1, and also check out the action circa 1998-2003. Interesting.

  68. junglegirl says:

    The above validates Matt’s post at 10:13 shooting for 980.

  69. junglegirl says:

    The trendline from 741 to 804 would put 980 in play the middle of this month.

  70. George says:

    Yep, buy them dips. The dippier the dip the better.

  71. junglegirl says:

    Let’s call it the 9th to the 17, or so, depending on exactly how you draw your line (different lows from which to choose after teh 804).

    Wow, I’m quite the little blog hog here. Sorry.

  72. Yerk says:

    GS-plates

  73. MKB says:

    Ok, now that I see some of you are leaning the “continuing trend” way I can comment about further evidence that way without feeling as if I’ve added to the hype. If one compares consumer staples with consumer discretionary one finds that although both are up CD is starting to pull away. Brett Steenbarger compares XLP (CS) with XLY (CD) and uses this as a tell for peaks and valleys. When the ratio is the lowest, growth is in order. As the two blow away from one another you get your tops and bottoms.

    The two etfs were nearly even Friday but XLY is pulling away today.

    Mitch

  74. Julie says:

    Junglegirl,
    Never apologize for good posts.

    Julie

  75. Julie says:

    Yerk,
    Mr. banker…how does Fiat buy Chrysler
    without putting up any cash?

    julie

  76. Julie says:

    Someone is buying GM stock.

  77. admin says:

    XLF rolling over, and taking the market down with it?

  78. Charlie says:

    SKF is acting like a red flag for this market. Stocks like GS seem to be exhausted. Market seems to want to roll over IMO.. maybe just for a retrace.. but I wonder if today could be a blow off top.

    Will be interesting to see what happens when 3:30 pm hits.

  79. K says:

    Lovely,
    My 941 target got reached so come on head down Mrs. Market.
    I will help you down the stairs.

  80. K says:

    when 3:30 hits we will have major dump

  81. George says:

    SPY needs to turn back up around this point or…

    K, You’re here. How’s the job?

  82. Julie says:

    The high-level 5 wave sideways consolidation
    from SPX 930 to SPX 887 on Thursday gave
    two likely targets…938 and 945.

  83. K says:

    The Job… Well I picked up AATI and ENG in the morning LOL
    Had GROW , CATM, OCNW on buy list too but never got to em.

    I was supposed to help upgrade the closets for the computer network. But hey first day I need admin rights first :P

    I am wondering if i should follow my system and sell when it tells me or sell these at EOD.

    TOS account just needs my funding to clear. the FAZ and SKF transfered into it. lol saddddd

  84. George says:

    K,

    I would let the system tell you unless selling EOD is part of the system requirement.

    GO BBT.

  85. George says:

    TNX closed +2.50.

  86. George says:

    SKF 5min nearing 36MA support but it doesn’t look good from the MACD perspective.

    Its gap down today was its resistance.

  87. George says:

    SPY hanging by a thread.

  88. George says:

    Nothing decisive on the daily SPY although it broke the top trendline. Tomorrow will tell if it is a double top or new wave up.

  89. admin says:

    On my chart, XLF is only 0.01 away from making a 9/36/15 cross-down. TradeStation will close the candle at 4:15pm.

  90. George says:

    Charlie,

    “…I wonder if today could be a blow off top…”

    Me too. Most things say we should continue going up (SPX), like stochastic, MACD, MAs, and only the 15,9 TRIX hasn’t turned up.

    I can’t wait ’till SKF hits $80 in a couple of years. :)

  91. admin says:

    XLF almost red…

  92. narrowminds says:

    George, I joined you by adding a small position in faz, this also starts my short positioning in the market.

  93. admin says:

    At the 4:15pm close, TradeStation has XLF up a penny. Tomorrow morning, in order to avoid a 9/36/15 cross-under, XLF will have to open up on a large gap and blast higher. And that seems unlikely. So, the prospects for Turn-Around Tuesday aren’t looking too bad for the bears.

  94. George says:

    narrowminds,

    FAZ looks faztastic. I believe I’ll hop in that tomorrow.

    Thanks for the tip.

  95. narrowminds says:

    Good, I’ll have company :)

  96. Julie says:

    George,
    I have a question. It’s not about the
    market;so, feel free not to answer it.
    Do you use USAA for your insurance
    needs?
    Grandfather had insurance with them.
    We never did. But I think we could.

    Julie

  97. narrowminds says:

    Look at the flash update in the middle left: http://www.shadowstats.com/

  98. narrowminds says:

    Interesting chart, I guess if we look at it from this view, the Dow can hit the 10000+ to back test the long term trend line.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TwUS3GyHKsQ/SiGxM5DY4pI/AAAAAAAAAvk/WFOGdyE8Opo/s1600-h/Grand+Supercycle+III.png

  99. Julie says:

    narrowminds,
    Thanks for the link. But keep in mind that
    when you control how the economic numbers
    are cooked, you control the market until
    an unexpected event comes along…like
    9/11.

    Julie

  100. Julie says:

    narrowminds,
    by the way I had a big laugh when I
    received the last NeoWave e-mail.
    Glenn posts on traders-talk from
    time-to-time. It’s free. Should we
    report him?

    Julie