Thursday’s Trading – 10/1/09

CNBC’s policy of not reporting the Chicago PMI certainly backfired on them Wednesday morning, didn’t it? The market got quite a jolt when it surprised to the downside at 9:45am. What’s wrong with CNBC? Do they really think traders would rather listen to them yap than get the news?

In case you didn’t hear, it was Fed Head Donald Kohn’s speech that saved the market Wednesday afternoon. The Fed has exited its exit strategy. It wasn’t enough for a green close, but will it stave off a correction?

The IYT ate away some more of its September 10th gap at 68.57 that I have been talking about recently. The IYT needs to rally quick becuase the support is starting to look awfully shaky.

113 Responses to “Thursday’s Trading – 10/1/09”

  1. K says:

    I NEEED my 1035 prediction to come alive today!! it will!

  2. Larry says:

    Matt, ah, that explains it. So what will Mr Kohn do tomorrow?

  3. K says:

    i stayed up till now only because i wanted to watch the hourly in the futures close where i thought it would. it did. resistance 1053-1056
    support is a trendline going back to today’s 9am low.

    we might go higher to about 1055.73 by 9am tomorrow then crash to 1038.65

    night

  4. Yerk says:

    so far not much momentum, chopping around the high end of the expected range for the dax today. Agree with phil on the 1070, still sticking with ~1030-35 as danger zone for the bulls.

  5. K says:

    General Motors Co. said Wednesday it would shut down its Saturn brand after an agreement with Penske Automotive Group Inc. to acquire it fell apart.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090930/ap_on_bi_ge/us_saturn_penske

    Hmm why walk away from such great potential? Maybe GM being greedy? :P
    ok am done linking for the day

  6. Yerk says:

    Hasn’t Saturn been incorporated to boost GM’s potential by learning from a smaller competitor?

  7. George says:

    Tops/bottoms, inverse needs to get past these tops if it wants to get a trend going.

  8. George says:

    Fed-Speak today. That should give some volatility.

  9. George says:

    There’s going to be some serious short-covering today.

  10. phil says:

    GEORGE…..i am covering my remaining shorts……NOW!!!!

  11. George says:

    GO PHIL!

    Deja-Vous yesterday?

  12. phil says:

    GEORGE….we may have one more new high but obviously market is tired..i will soon be leaning more towards short than long

  13. George says:

    Gotcha. Down day in an up market? I’ll check the daily trendline and see.

  14. George says:

    Inverse is basing on the 1min and 5min. Waiting for Tres Amigos on 5min for SPY UYG if it happens.

  15. Mitch says:

    JG:

    XOM on the daily from 6-11-09 until today. What triangle do you perceive?

  16. hank says:

    Gone long for the first time in memory near day lows with tight stops

  17. phil says:

    hank………NOW you want to go long ?????? OMG

  18. hank says:

    Phil,
    Day trade with tight stops. (In at weekly and daily lows) No change in sentiment. If you can’t beat join’em!
    (Made a killing paper trading in the last three days so I thought i’d make some real money today ;)

  19. phil says:

    HANK…only kidding….i may buy qqqq on next plunge

  20. Mitch says:

    Well Hank you should be loving XOM then. That POS has gone from squaw’s tit to Jim’s dust sweepers.

  21. hank says:

    Here comes your plunge, stopped out. Took some gains at 104.52 so I broke even overall. Gotta go GLTA today.

  22. Jim says:

    When we fall below 1015, the plunge into the abyss will commence. Gold and gold stocks will lead the way. The commitment of traders assures it.

  23. phil says:

    GEORGE….going to shy away from double etfs now

  24. phil says:

    jim……gold has little potential now….maybe later

  25. George says:

    phil,

    Why not doubles? Doesn’t matter what’s traded. I wouldn’t use them for hedges but they trade well individually.

  26. George says:

    Ha, That “base” on the 1min was a bear flag on the 5min for SPY.

  27. phil says:

    george…they erode over time…this market will flatten out

  28. phil says:

    UPWARD ACCELERATION NEGATED….spx still could test top

  29. George says:

    Phil, thanks. Beginning now most likely.

  30. George says:

    Geeze, SKF can’t even go up a dollar.

  31. George says:

    DOW sitting on its daily 36MA, SPY still not down to it yet.

  32. junglegirl says:

    Mitch,

    IMO, your triangle actually started much earlier. Pull up a chart from about 2006 onward to see it more clearly. Then note extending the upper boundary line of the triangle back in time, it connects to the May 2008 top. What you appear to be seeing now is the E leg has itself broken into a triangle. This means instead of a 3-3-3-3-3 configuration for 5 legs, you should get 9 waves total because the last leg breaks into its own 3-3-3-3-3. The triangle looks symmetrical.

  33. George says:

    SRS is the beauty queen of the day. Soon SPY will join the pageant for its remarkable makeover.

  34. 'K says:

    George how’s the first post of this thread? How’s that for a soup nazi demand? :mrgreen:

  35. Mitch says:

    Thanks JG. I looked back to 2006 and you’re right.

  36. George says:

    K,

    You’ve been nailing it lately!

    Donka

  37. phil says:

    MITCH…..$tyx and $tnx are BELOW SUPPORT now…..as u correctly pointed out yesterday…..go bonds!

  38. Mitch says:

    phil:

    Mr. Market appears to have been debriefed by Mrs. Economy.

  39. paula says:

    String,
    If you have an interest in trading the SPX
    cycle, you need to track the cycle. We
    are in week 12 of the current cycle. The
    cycles usually run from 16 to 22 weeks.
    My best guess is that this cycle will run
    16 weeks. If it does, we should see the
    SPX low around the end of Oct…and
    that would be the time to think about
    buying Jan OEX call options. When you
    trade the cycle, you don’t worry about
    daily moves…only that the SPX is moving
    up if you have up cycle calls or that the
    SPX is moving down if you have down
    cycle puts. The number of up or down
    weeks depends on the overall market
    outlook. Right now the number of up
    weeks are greater than the number of
    down weeks, but that will change in
    2010.

  40. Yerk says:

    hmmhmm, my case for new highs is still intact… Turning right at target.

    Great call K!

  41. Stringm says:

    Paula

    I will work with that. How do you judge the turn as corrective or trend changes. MA crosses, or a combination of indicators?

    String

  42. scotty says:

    anyone see a retrace of todays drop?

  43. paula says:

    String,
    It’s a guess. I use the SPX 3 DEMA and the
    SPX 6 DEMA for trend changes. When the
    trend changes I look at where we are in
    the SPX cycle to guess if it’s a daily or
    weekly correction. If it’s a weekly correction. I
    want the SPX 20 DMA to confirm it at some time.
    The SPX went below last weeks low. In the last
    weekly SPX correction the SPX moved down
    to the SPX 20 WEMA…bounced and then
    moved down to the SPX 20 WMA…the low
    for the last cycle.
    I’ve talked to some of the world’s best traders
    about the SPX cycle…no one had a 100% indicator
    …but all agreed it was the relaxed way to trade
    the market…there is room for error and you still
    make money.

  44. George says:

    Almost a buck on SKF…

  45. paula says:

    String,
    One more thing to keep your eye on is the
    SPX monthly MACD. It has a buy signal
    right now…look for the number of up
    weeks in the cycle to be greater than
    the number of down weeks. When the SPX
    monthly MACD moved to a sell, look for the
    number of down weeks in the cycle to be
    greater than the number of up weeks.

  46. paula says:

    String,
    Will be back late tonight.

  47. Mitch says:

    scotty:

    We’ve got a bullish scenario in the States. Worm turning now . . . I haven’t a clue when the next wave comes but it will.

  48. scotty says:

    ???

  49. phil says:

    mitch…..TLT has resistance near 101……selling the last of it there

  50. scotty says:

    GS just revised there unemploment report from -200 to -250

  51. phil says:

    JIM……….commitment of traders is very BEARISH for gold …ie commercials are record NET SHORT……plus consensus has 80% bulls….i have sold all my gold…..plus dollar looks ready to RUMBLE….not a pretty picture for gold

  52. scotty says:

    didn’t think the news today justified this drop but you sense the trend change the last couple of closes(lol now we probably go up into the close)anyway I as expecting this towards the end of Oct., but we need some Hindenberg Omens to confirm a crash is coming down the road

  53. George says:

    The past few days have been great trading.

  54. George says:

    TNX down to 3.1 -1.10,,,, that ain’t gonna last long.

  55. phil says:

    GEORGE…i am a BUYER of qqqq on overlap of 41.58

  56. phil says:

    george… re: TNX….i am selling bonds as fast as i can …..lol

  57. phil says:

    make that overlap of 41.60

  58. phil says:

    we may have already bottomed but be careful here

  59. Stringm says:

    Phil

    What is the overlap you are referring to. Is it determined by the last cycle low?

    String

  60. phil says:

    string….. i am looking for overlap of waves …..that tells me in a decline that the decline is usually corrective…ie against the trend….but at a turning point … which we could have here… it gets tricky….we are close to a top here

  61. 'K says:

    Wow I made the call sept 23 at 9:24pm

    There is a blog entry that I created sept 25 on my blog. Copy and pasting links on blackberry is annoying so just click my name if interested

    No soup for the market!!!!
    Its never a bad thing to demand something and have it delivered right on time! Wow! Ok am very happy ill take the rest of the day off :P

  62. phil says:

    K….i saw that call and i hoped you were wrong but now we know the rocket ship blast upwards has been cancelled…that info is very helpful..now shorts can be put on without getting blown out of the water which was the risk until today with overlap of 1039.47

  63. George says:

    phil,

    Nice play on the bonds. I can’t tell what kind of pattern is developing. Just hope the market keeps this up.

  64. George says:

    K,

    You won’t have to fix soup for a week. Will be checking your scoreboard.

  65. questioning says:

    I think that when this trendline breaks substantially, we might have something…

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=LQD&p=D&yr=0&mn=8&dy=0&id=p37390755913&a=179490997

    I’m on the lookout for the 20ema to cross the 5oma for a confirmation of a trend change… Todays chart is interesting too…

  66. George says:

    phil,

    This may be the “spooky” you were talking about.

  67. phil says:

    george….look at daily spx chart…uptrend from july broken today..see big bounce off it yesterday??….i bet you we rush up from below to touch it again for final top

  68. phil says:

    george………” scary”

  69. George says:

    Jobs report tomorrow. That’ll put a spring in the market.

    SKF finally went over a dollah. +$1.60 and some change. And it’s still working.

    Waiting on SKF $80. :)

  70. George says:

    Oh, “scary” not “spooky”. Memory is the first thing to go.

  71. scotty says:

    Phil you liking sds here?

  72. George says:

    SPY is building a base again on the intraday. With this massive downage, I’ve switched up to a 30min upper time frame chart on SPY. No whipsaws allowed on premises.

  73. George says:

    BBT taken to the woodshed. Take some home?

  74. phil says:

    scotty…..you have to do your own work

  75. junglegirl says:

    SPX daily RSI broke under 50.

    Weak weekly chart on pretty much all indicators for SPX.

    UUP looking good. VIX daily/weekly looking good.

  76. George says:

    I couldn’t wait to get BBT. Last scalp of the day. Leave a little in for good things to come.

  77. phil says:

    junglegirl….uup looks like it may be gearing uup for an island reversal to trap dollar bears eh?????

  78. Mitch says:

    George:

    Re: BBT

    That is a fun one!

  79. Randall says:

    Alot of cross-currents about whether P3 or C down has begun, McHugh says not yet, one more rally to new highs then massive sell-off lower, but todays market action really making both bears and bulls nervous.

  80. George says:

    Revenge of the bears… Book’em Dano.

  81. Mitch says:

    scotty:

    I apologize for writing that – it was insensitive of me. I will honor the devolution of phil’s horns with the proper respect.

  82. phil says:

    mitch….as you can probably tell by my posts today my horns fell off and i am now a CALF

  83. 'K says:

    Fantastic day. I think my srs calls alone were at least 100% alone today.

    Female condom dissapointed but thank god for stoplosses :) . (FHCO if you’re interested loll )

  84. George says:

    phil,

    If it drops down below that it might back-test it. ?

  85. George says:

    K, nice. SRS… Cash Cow…

    MOOooo

  86. George says:

    Mitch,

    Yeah, BBT is most definately profitable. When it drops like this it will try helter-skelter to go back up. I mean, once it has bottomed.

  87. Mitch says:

    phil:

    I can rest easy knowing did all I could to save a 401k from disaster – just hope to get better – not worried at all – bull, bear, calf, giraffe they all have hair or something like that George?

  88. George says:

    “my horns fell off and i am now a CALF” sooo funny. So that’s what happens to bulls… lol

  89. K says:

    just a new call here. 1020.56-1023.46 in /ES is support thanks to two 61.8% fibs located in that area.

    just sayin!

  90. George says:

    Bull, Bear, I don’t care
    I’ve been trading since I had hair

    The market goes up, the market goes down
    I get in and out and don’t stick around

    If I had a dollah for every mistake I made
    I’d be a billionaire and wouldn’t need to trade

    Scalps-Я-Us

  91. phil says:

    good night all……………hasta

  92. Mitch says:

    Thanks George! I like that because I think so many people get caught up fighting straw men.

  93. K says:

    George,

    Death toll in Indonesia earthquake rises to 777 (AP)

    777 , -777 and all that. what do you say we implement those funny looking numbers into the dow jones industrial? :D

  94. George says:

    Ha, I knew you’d get 777 from somewhere K. LOL!