Tuesday’s Trading – 8/18/09

Back here, I said that the Fibonacci levels in the Box of Miracles should provide support if the market were to move down. And on Monday, the SPX’s intra-day low was 978.51, only 0.21 points away from the 50% level of 978.72 in the Box of Miracles. How’s that for accuracy? Also, on Friday, the SPX was practically glued all day to the 23.6% level from the Box of Miracles.

80 Responses to “Tuesday’s Trading – 8/18/09”

  1. K says:

    971 next stop in futures? or will we hit 990 again? I do know that so far max pain for sept is $90 so. good luck.

  2. K says:

    http://beacheconomist.com/popdis3.gif
    population age in us through 2050. oops looks like i’ma be trading at age of 80+

  3. Danny says:

    Every time you post a box of miracles chart I screen grab it and save it to my desktop. Hasn’t let me down yet.

  4. Larry says:

    Another wild day in Shanghai. The Bulls came out after lunch and the Composite ended up 1.4%.

    The authorities are providing plenty of booze to the speculators, but I believe they are underestimating the enormous quantities needed to keep the party going.

    The question then becomes: Is there enough booze left in the Occident?

  5. Yerk says:

    We are close to max pain, so market forces must be pretty strong to move it away from here this week.

  6. Yerk says:

    and Matt’s box levels act as attractors.

  7. Darren says:

    I do like the term ‘max pain’ but I’m glad I don’t trade options. I do think I’ll change my name by deed poll though, to Mr Maximilian Payne – lol

    Pretty uneventful morning thus far, FTSE gapped up 30 pts at the open but has been trading in a narrow 20pt range (between pivot and R1) since.

  8. George says:

    K,

    That age chart… not as badly populated with us oldies as I thought. Still, I need my social security, schoolboy. Keep payin’ those dues.

  9. Darren says:

    Mkts still half-dead but hopefully will get shaken up in less than 1/2 hr when there’s plenty of US economic news due out.

  10. Mitch says:

    paula:

    Where’s your sister? Hope your grandfather is fine.

    WHO IS PEPPERED UP #90 style:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6F0XnJ8ksI

  11. K says:

    George,
    I’ll head back to Europe and you can pay your own dues :P

  12. Mitch says:

    At this point I would be concerned if I had 50% returns in my portfolio.

  13. Mitch says:

    George:

    I was able to neutralize some short gains on the “rumble” from yesterday – effectively locking them in to a degree.

  14. K says:

    but you don’t have 50% gains in your portfolio Mitch. yours are 110%

  15. Mitch says:

    K:

    No, I’m down 5% – probably close to destroying value according to alpha calculations. I’ll take a look.

  16. Mitch says:

    K:

    Although I have laid the wood on SPY for the week SPY is up 4.34% on the month which is relative to my period.

  17. George says:

    Mitch,

    WTG on the rumble gains. Real tug-o-war here. May be a quick hit-n-run day if it turns out choppy.

  18. Mitch says:

    Thanks George.

  19. K says:

    990+ today? sadly maybe

  20. Mitch says:

    K:

    I can take it. Here come the dip buyers.

  21. George says:

    The Tres Cruzars on SPY has worked out well so far since yesterday’s signal. Now price is bumping up against the SPY 15min 36MA.

    This was a counter-Cruzar which means not much is expected in the way of movement, but one never knows.

    BTW, I’ve been playing the MACD 90,40,16 setting and it has worked great. I’m using it on the 5min. Buy/sell at crosses. It works inverse to price. I’m still refining its usage and tweaking the settings.

  22. George says:

    The problem with Renko charts.

    Renko ignores time. It is more like Point & Figure charts except it has candles. The problem using them is there could be a buy signal, then a minute later it turns into a continuation or sell signal. Now, once it gets past that first candle of a change of trend, it’s okay.

    I’ve found that using stochastic and/or MACD as a verification eliminates false signals. Sure, the candles create the oscillators, but requiring an oscillator to turn greatly reduces or eliminates false signals.

    StockCharts has the Renko charts. It may be possible to look at one without a subscription by looking at a daily chart. They are unique and useful once understood.

  23. phil says:

    correction over ? buying partial positions long now for next up wave http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TwUS3GyHKsQ/Sonlu5UOkGI/AAAAAAAABas/yYyYa32m4oc/s1600-h/daily.png

  24. K says:

    spicing things up.. :P enjoy this video haha NOT work SAFE for some.
    http://www.currensee.com/itsabeautifulthing/

  25. George says:

    phil,

    Agree… IF it goes down that far, looks strong right now but… could change any minute. SPY holding its own on the 15min 36MA but not advancing greatly.

  26. Mitch says:

    George:

    This 1 minute setting a precedent?

  27. Mitch says:

    Until proven otherwise that 11:09 SPX candle is the “shooter.”

  28. George says:

    Lower time frames dropping now.

  29. phil says:

    george…..OVERLAP of spx 992 should lead to test of top…i will double longs there

  30. Mitch says:

    11:30 SPX 1mn candle mighty important and confirmed 11:09 candle’s precedence.

  31. Mitch says:

    This upshot will and is testing my gearing. Short gears screaming now.

  32. paula says:

    Mitch,
    Grandfather is in the Outback and Julia
    has not found him yet.

  33. phil says:

    ACTUALLY…… 992.40 OVERLAP needed to imply next wave up

  34. Mitch says:

    Paula:

    Julia may bring back grandpa and her version of Tarzan no?

  35. paula says:

    George,
    One area you might want to spend some
    time on is changing the number of contracts
    you trade based on the strength of your
    signals.

  36. phil says:

    GEORGE…look at qqqq daily chart….bollinger bands pinching tight…..big move is coming soon ……cant tell you which way but it should be a DOOZIE!

  37. paula says:

    Mitch,
    Let’s just hope she finds Grandfather.

  38. Mitch says:

    paula:

    Is he leaving her like markings and such?

  39. paula says:

    Mitch,
    He is in the Outback with an aborigine
    medicine man. No one in the tribe
    knows where they are.

  40. K says:

    ooo! I hope all is well paula.
    Let us know when he reappears. maybe just meditating in the middle of the woods.

  41. Mitch says:

    paula:

    I’d say tweet them but their 1 server is spotty.

  42. paula says:

    Thanks K.

  43. Yerk says:

    K now that we are @ 990 how’s ZAGG doing?

  44. Yerk says:

    I’m assuming range-bound market between 990-975ish. Favouring a break to the downside.
    As I’m not at the computer most of the time I was forced to trade when I had time. So I ended up making money on the long side yesterday and on the short side today. My overall timing is out of sync with the market :-(

  45. George says:

    paula,

    I’m not sure if I do it right, but I increase my contracts based upon how far something has been beaten down. Like yesterday, BBT clobbered, I’m willing to bet more than if it already had a strong move up.

  46. George says:

    paula,

    To follow up on my comment, I don’t know how to guage strength, per se. I know if three or more time frames are moving, that “could” be strong but doesn’t always pan out.

  47. George says:

    Yesterday’s Tres Cruzars on SPY was bucking the trend, didn’t expect it to do much and it has outperformed. I didn’t know that at the time, I only knew that SPY had a sharp down-turn in two days and to look for a counter-trend recovery of some sort. Without thinking too much about it, I just let the indicators tell me what to do.

    It would be nice to know how many contracts to buy based up something, but I haven’t figured that out yet.

  48. George says:

    Us grandpas are easy to lose. We just wonder off at times.

    Yerk,

    Nice going on the trades. Frustrating when you have no control over when you can trade – been there, done that, don’t want to do it again.

    Hang in there.

  49. Stringm says:

    George

    I have killed kiss a Turtle Head, not that it would not worked, but I have found something better. I had been misguided in my strategy design. I kept trying to design things that would work on all stocks. Gave that up and started testing my strategies on a good sample of stocks and take the ones that it works best on. Then I backtest for 3 years. If it holds true for that period it is a keeper. BBT is a big keeper with my new work. CLF, BUCY, JOYG are others.

    I also finally stumbled onto something that helps me design strategies. I use four separate indicator crosses as triggers. They rarely happen at the same time technically speaking, always just a freckle off on one indicator. When they all cross at once it is really sweet, but you could wander off waiting. Well I figured out how to allow the last one to cross be the trigger as well as when they all cross at once. I use the 60 as the trigger buy and the 30 as the trigger sell. Sometimes just one of the indicators crosses down and then comes back up. My new method allows that cross back to be a buy because all indicators are back in line.

    Just tested JPM, AVG Win on 1000 shares, 623.99, AVG Loser 162.86, W/L % @ 70.71. I am getting there.

    String

  50. marty says:

    Hi all from a very hot day in Maine. Yes, Maine, though not at the Mauldin conference.

  51. George says:

    Stringm, wow… That’s awesome.

    The 60 is a great overall time frame. When the stochastic and MACD turn up on it, it hangs on longer.

    This is so straightforward looking at it, it’s the programming that’s difficult. You’ve beaten the odds.

    BBT is booming today, so is SPY from yesterday. If it caught those two, you’ve got a winner.

    Congratulations!

  52. Stringm says:

    George

    MACD and STO are two of my indicators got BBT and SPY. What is neat though is I let a 30 minute MA going down take me out. Sometimes all that happens on the 60 is the STO falls below the cross. With my new method if the STO goes back up and the other indicators are still crossed up it puts me back and and lets another 30 MA go down take me out. BBT has an 80% win rate. I have had these Nirvana higs in the past and end up getting shot down. I have had some on this test, but have managed to solve them all. In fact that is how I stumbled onto the letting one indicator going back put me in.

    George the programming is really not that hard, but you can design things that run in still motion, but you can’t replicate live. I think I finally have that,after NUMEROUS failed attempts. If you have any questions I can help. It is a daunting task and I have spent 100s of hours, no use letting that go to waste, just ask.

    String

  53. George says:

    Stringm,

    You’ve just explained price cycles / within cycles. That’s what makes trading confusing. Seeing price going down in a lower time frame while it’s telling us price overall is still moving up on a higher time frame. Ergo… multiple time frame trading.

    My attempt is to capture all of that into one indicator, if possible. Just follow the bouncing ball and go with the flow. I don’t know if I can do that with the programming abilities of SD.

  54. George says:

    phil,

    Is the next target on that chart the dashed blue line?

  55. George says:

    Look at SPY 15min at yesterday’s close. stochastic bottomed, MACD moving up and the final move down only put a dent in the MACD trendlines. By all rights, that move should have knocked the MACD lower on both lines. On the other hand, there was a positive divergence on the Stochastic.

    These indicators tell almost everything we need to know. Following Tres Amigas, Tres Cruzars, MA cross overs, etc is all we need as long as we stick to the plan. IMHO.

    As humans, we tend to over-analyze and play “what if” games in our minds whereas a simple commitment is all that is needed – win, lose or draw. Since we have the odds in our favor (we don’t just buy anything that comes along), they will be mostly wins or at least overall profitability.

  56. Stringm says:

    George

    That is what was busting my mind in a lot of cases. Over analyzation can be a killer. The 4 indicator cross at the same time is usually a gap move. Some gaps pull back some don’t. Trying to program to determine what is was going to be was beyond me. Don’t believe I didn’t try my ass off. I am just not smart enough or it can’t be done. Armed with backtest info I have for this set of stocks I don’t care I buy my initial position. If it pulls back into the gap and starts to move up, I add to the position.

    String

  57. George says:

    Stringm,

    Psychologically, I tell myself each day:

    All I have as trading tools are the indicators. All I can do is use them properly, trust them and follow them.

    You’re ability (and Matt’s and perhaps others) to capture that trading essence to mechanically determine how to handle those trades without being “involved” is awesome.

  58. admin says:

    String,

    “It is a daunting task and I have spent 100s of hours…”

    True dat.

    Matt

  59. admin says:

    SPY has rallied today on less volume than yesterday. If it were making a bear-flag on the daily chart, this is exactly what it would look like.

  60. Yerk says:

    After JG’s bear flag call signaled a change in trend, the next bear flag would confirm it

  61. K says:

    yerk.. I sold zagg last night

    but being able to hit 990 makes me happy.

    also AXL.. I made a decent scalp today :D

    I told my friend at around 11:30am ” 70 cents above 5 or 50 cents below are my targets”
    AXL closed 5.70 on the dot.

    I’m down 120 today after +320 yesterday. lol

  62. Yerk says:

    K – you’re so trigger happy. You asked for support – I indicated 990 and you got them…

    Nice one on AXL. That is what I call a solid move up based in a recovering industry.

  63. admin says:

    HPQ sinking in the aftermarket. Profits down, and revenue shrinking:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125062582751240971.html

  64. Stringm says:

    Matt

    Wonder why them, the same thing didn’t seem to bother anyone else. Guess they set their bar too high!!!

    String

  65. admin says:

    String,

    I think HPQ had the bad luck of reporting during a period when “bad news” is “bad news” again.

    Matt

  66. Mitch says:

    Despite my fondness for my HPQ machine(s) I’m thinking of shorting the heck out of this (EAT style) all the way through the 4Q and let up some time mid 1Q 2010. Please let it hit 50-55.

  67. K says:

    our company is going back to Dell’s after almost 3 years of HP. why? they cited costs. oh well……..

  68. Mitch says:

    K:
    >>>our company is going back to Dell’s

    Too bad they’re giving up because once HP realizes they’ve been shook their only hedge will be cheap machines. Just sayin’

  69. K says:

    i know. if i was the CIO i’d buy straight made in china PC’s :P

    all kidding aside i like HP’s over Dell’s even though all comps at home are Dell’s except a Fujitsu

  70. K says:

    Yesterday was the first Major Distribution day since the first week of July. Since they tend to come in clusters, expect more over the next weeks accompanied by price weakness.

    http://benbittrolff.blogspot.com/2009/08/first-major-distribution-day-since-july.html

  71. Larry says:

    In hindsight it looks like the reflation trade made its peak in the second week of June. So the HS was real. Then came new accounting rules for banks, Whitney and the cost cutting surprises.
    2. Wall Street is now screaming for revenue growth. They want to get back to 2007 levels. That is physically impossible, unless Government starts ‘cash for anything’ programs. Which they will do after the next downturn.
    I think it would be wise to check Matt’s Box of miracles and to have a keen eye on that EUR/USD.

  72. Mitch says:

    Good morning Larry. Do you agree the U.S. needs fiscal restraint? Do you think health care reform is a way to reduce the burden on the taxed? Does the U.S. needs a refo as large as that to reconcile its accounts?

  73. Mitch says:

    Sorry, “needs reform . . . . “

  74. K says:

    looking at the daily futures 991 is a critical point.. also we’re still not in correction mode yet I see 947 after expiration friday. (aka september)
    for now they are looking to cause MAX pain at 980′s

  75. Larry says:

    Hi Mitch, I’m on the plane. The West (and Japan) is playing pretend. You can not change it.
    It will be a wild ride. De-leveraging coupled with massive niche bubbles here and there every 6 mths. Good luck to all.

  76. K says:

    futures pivots are now squeezed. if we have another sideways day I will then be ready with all my cash to profit from a quick trade on breakout to either side

    here we go /ES

    R3 1010.13
    R2 1000.06
    R3 996.38
    P 986.31
    S1 982.63
    S2 972.56
    S3 968.88

    right now it is at 987 but sooo close to the pivot that I can’t speculate which was we will break.

  77. K says:

    2 more funny links.
    http://paul.kedrosky.com/archives/2009/08/ceos_donating_s.html
    NICEEE donating stocks to themselves.

    —-
    2nd and 4th largest bank failures of 2009 (77 total already)
    could come as early as this weekend for one of them…
    http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/08/update-on-bank-bids-guaranty-texas-and.html