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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4085</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

That's a good explanation of the situation. FRE's bond auction yesterday was also a disaster. Here is what &lt;a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121919008026355015.html?mod=crnews" rel="nofollow"&gt;the Wall Street Journal said&lt;/a&gt;:

"The five-year notes were priced to yield 4.172%, or 1.13 percentage point above yields on safe Treasury notes, the highest "spread" Freddie has ever paid on such debt."

So, bond investor's opinion of FRE is at the lowest point ever.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good explanation of the situation. FRE&#8217;s bond auction yesterday was also a disaster. Here is what <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121919008026355015.html?mod=crnews" rel="nofollow">the Wall Street Journal said</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The five-year notes were priced to yield 4.172%, or 1.13 percentage point above yields on safe Treasury notes, the highest &#8220;spread&#8221; Freddie has ever paid on such debt.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, bond investor&#8217;s opinion of FRE is at the lowest point ever.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4084</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoho</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoho</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4083</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after,

I was just checking out the various financials, and I don't understand it either. 

Q) Why were the GSE's stokcs hammered?
A) They could be nationalized, leaving the stock holders with no equity.

Q) Okay, but why would they be nationalized?
A) They may not have enough capital to pay the mortgage bonds. If they default on their mortgage bonds, it will throw the US financial system in the blender.

Q) Right, but they just pay off the bonds with payments from the housing loans, just like they've been doing for years.
A) With home prices crashing, many home-owners are defaulting on their loans.

Q) So what you are saying, is that without the US government backing the bonds, the GSEs would default on their bonds because homeowners are defaulting on their loans.
A) Exactly! Now you get it.

Q) So what about the commerical banks that issued MBS, and the investment banks that issued CDOs based on the MBS? Don't they have the same problems as the GSEs?
A) ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after,</p>
<p>I was just checking out the various financials, and I don&#8217;t understand it either. </p>
<p>Q) Why were the GSE&#8217;s stokcs hammered?<br />
A) They could be nationalized, leaving the stock holders with no equity.</p>
<p>Q) Okay, but why would they be nationalized?<br />
A) They may not have enough capital to pay the mortgage bonds. If they default on their mortgage bonds, it will throw the US financial system in the blender.</p>
<p>Q) Right, but they just pay off the bonds with payments from the housing loans, just like they&#8217;ve been doing for years.<br />
A) With home prices crashing, many home-owners are defaulting on their loans.</p>
<p>Q) So what you are saying, is that without the US government backing the bonds, the GSEs would default on their bonds because homeowners are defaulting on their loans.<br />
A) Exactly! Now you get it.</p>
<p>Q) So what about the commerical banks that issued MBS, and the investment banks that issued CDOs based on the MBS? Don&#8217;t they have the same problems as the GSEs?<br />
A) &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4080</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eli, 

actually, I ralized that I have DEC 40 puts (not Oct 40) on JPM, because the Oct ones were non-standard ones (maybe from BSC).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eli, </p>
<p>actually, I ralized that I have DEC 40 puts (not Oct 40) on JPM, because the Oct ones were non-standard ones (maybe from BSC).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4079</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll start with a repeat disclosure that I am short GS. Even so, this is really funny for anyone: 

"Lehman managed to trade up 4.8% to $13.70 even though analysts at Goldman Sachs and Sanford Bernstein suggested it and a host of other brokers would take hits in the third quarter...The Goldman report maintained that Merrill Lynch would be one of the hardest hit in the third quarter as a result of its exposure to the collateralized debt obligation market. Yet, Merrill jumped 2.5% at $24.41. Goldman also lowered estimates for JPMorgan Chase due to the hit it took on auction rates securities. But JPMorgan gained 4% to $37. And the analyst even called for a short position in Citigroup, but that bank held its own and ticked up 1.8% to $17.49."

So the finacial stocks that Goldman panned all traded up today. There was one finacial that didn't do so well:

"The one name that the Goldman analyst maintained a long position in was Morgan Stanley, which tumbled 1.8% to $37.40."

Ouch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll start with a repeat disclosure that I am short GS. Even so, this is really funny for anyone: </p>
<p>&#8220;Lehman managed to trade up 4.8% to $13.70 even though analysts at Goldman Sachs and Sanford Bernstein suggested it and a host of other brokers would take hits in the third quarter&#8230;The Goldman report maintained that Merrill Lynch would be one of the hardest hit in the third quarter as a result of its exposure to the collateralized debt obligation market. Yet, Merrill jumped 2.5% at $24.41. Goldman also lowered estimates for JPMorgan Chase due to the hit it took on auction rates securities. But JPMorgan gained 4% to $37. And the analyst even called for a short position in Citigroup, but that bank held its own and ticked up 1.8% to $17.49.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the finacial stocks that Goldman panned all traded up today. There was one finacial that didn&#8217;t do so well:</p>
<p>&#8220;The one name that the Goldman analyst maintained a long position in was Morgan Stanley, which tumbled 1.8% to $37.40.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ouch.</p>
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		<title>By: after</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4078</link>
		<dc:creator>after</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone have thoughts on the FNM/FRE situation ? I find it hard to believe the market held up today with more significant downdraft in these two, but, alas, it did...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone have thoughts on the FNM/FRE situation ? I find it hard to believe the market held up today with more significant downdraft in these two, but, alas, it did&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Average guy</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4077</link>
		<dc:creator>Average guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eli

Thanks for the help</description>
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<p>Thanks for the help</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4074</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment is from Crimson Ghost, which was posted on a page from last week by accident:

"Energy stocks bounced hard today despite another rise in the buck. XNG jumped 3.5%.

This does not augur well for the longevity of the rally."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment is from Crimson Ghost, which was posted on a page from last week by accident:</p>
<p>&#8220;Energy stocks bounced hard today despite another rise in the buck. XNG jumped 3.5%.</p>
<p>This does not augur well for the longevity of the rally.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.trivisonno.com/wednesdays-trading-5#comment-4073</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pooch,

This is the bounce that the big funds will sell into. The technical term is "&lt;a href="http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:glossary_d" rel="nofollow"&gt;distribution&lt;/a&gt;."

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pooch,</p>
<p>This is the bounce that the big funds will sell into. The technical term is &#8220;<a href="http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:glossary_d" rel="nofollow">distribution</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Pooch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt which bounce is this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt which bounce is this</p>
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