Wednesday’s Trading – 7/29/09

A six-billion dollar mall is being built in Syracuse, New York. The developer has signed-up zero tenants. Citigroup tried to pull the plug on the project, but a judge has ordered them to keep funding it because they got $44.5 billion in taxpayer bailout dollars. So now, taxpayer dollars are being used to build more ghost malls. What a splendid economic recovery this is!

90 Responses to “Wednesday’s Trading – 7/29/09”

  1. K says:

    AMAZING!!! let’s all go shopping there when $6 billion buys a pair of shoes

    and Matt…
    :( TOS seems to have automation but to me it doesn’t look user friendly. giving you so little to work with. I might give it a go on a stock one of these days even though my system sucks in 1hr compared to 4hr that is.

    but i got the basic strategy transfered so we’ll see where this leads :D
    stay tuned in the morning for SPX pivots…

  2. K says:

    BBMG Surges in Hong Kong Debut as China’s Cement Demand Rises on Stimulus

  3. Larry says:

    This is madness. And as predicted.

  4. Larry says:

    Asia was not in the same credit bubble as The West. But ‘economists’ have told China to pump like crazy on both monetary and fiscal stimulus. (I am not blaming anyone but The Chinese, I am blaming the policy).

    von Mises taught us that the new money arrives in the hands of people close to the powers. They will speculate with it.

    This is what you are seeing on Shanghai Stock Exchange now. It will not end well. I think this bubble and burst on Shanghai will go faster than people think. The economists who prescribed the medicine are probably not even aware that there is a bubble in China now.

    Come September and the game should have ended already.

    100% Cash

  5. Dressguard says:

    Larry: This is madness.

    Leonidas: No, this is WallSt. :mrgreen:

  6. hank says:

    From Yahoo finance:
    Asian markets retreat amid bubble worries

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Asian-markets-retreat-amid-apf-286992448.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=

    The SPY has treaded water since it poped up to $98 on 7/23, However, my Dec $75 PUTS have crawled up 10% since then.

  7. junglegirl says:

    Futures down right now. If the market opens down (or falls to) around 970 (or even a little lower for throw-under), THAT could be a w4 E wave to complete the 4. Then one last burst higher and onto our pullback. I want to see that phantom 5!

  8. junglegirl says:

    —and not some picayune thing, either.

  9. Darren says:

    Due to China mini-plunge, SPX futures hit a low of 964, 30 mins before London stockmarket opened. Trying to rally from here.

  10. Darren says:

    Yip it did rally, over 10pts up to 975 by 9.15am this morning.

    Looks like that volume (6300+ contracts) on the 7.30am 5 min bar contained quite a bit of buying. Pretty high early morning volume.

  11. Larry says:

    Copper Warehouse LME

  12. Mitch says:

    Larry:

    Re: Copper

    It’s down .10 too.

  13. George says:

    I get released today, before noon. They have nicknamed me “computer man”. I have two laptops on my portable tray. So I will get some trades in before going home where I will continue.

    I’m doing something I never do – watch CNBC. Squawk Box is on now and I’m thinking… all of those opinions don’t mean anything. Put someone on that affects the “system” and I’ll listen.

    P.S. I’m full of dope in the event I contradict myself so I have an excuse. All other times I use senility – an advantage when you get older. hehe

  14. K says:

    LMAO computer man!!!
    futures want to roll over to 960′s

  15. George says:

    Ha, going home now, see ya on the flip side.

  16. Mitch says:

    Awesome George!

  17. K says:

    possible buy signal on VXX brought to you by SuperK

  18. K says:

    I mentioned SMN yesterday over EAT and looks like they went opposite ways as planned :D

  19. K says:

    oops where are my manners

    SPX for 29th July

    R3 997.16
    R2 989.76
    R1 984.16
    P 976.76
    S1 971.16
    S2 963.76
    S3 958.16

    current price 970.53 (just below S1) looks like support is breaking down

  20. after says:

    K, now you tell me ! i sold my VXX @ 62.76 for a small profit. figured i’d take something off the table (for now).
    bought gas.to @ 5.95 a starter position again there.

  21. phil says:

    Dressguard Says:

    July 29th, 2009 at 2:12 am
    Larry: This is madness.

    Leonidas: No, this is WallSt.
    >>>>>>>george>>>>>>>>at least you wont have to have dinner with leonidas tonite……….” spartans…..tonite we dine in HELL!.”

  22. after says:

    end of month approaching. i think i’ll keep the powder from my VXX sale for now, either buy it back lower or add DXD lower…

    have a good one all !

  23. Yerk says:

    K, yeah there seems to be no way to get irregular timeframes on TOS. Thanks for your updates. Not as old as our computer man but at least as senile, does get out of trade equal go short? dax not in line with futures, all a bit of a mixed bag here.

  24. K says:

    we have once again reversed :P over the Pivot

  25. K says:

    after; i just got the early alert. on the chart the “B” is not yet printed :)
    and no I am not buying VXX because i have VIX 27.5 august calls.

  26. Mitch says:

    phil:

    Re: Leonidas

    Love that stuff man!

  27. BobD says:

    I think 6 billion for a mall is incorrect information even though the WSJ said it. That amount could build 50 malls.

    “The clash over the Destiny project, which could have a price tag of as much as $6 billion”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124882292016488291.html

  28. Mitch says:

    Who is the biggest high end clothing retailer in NYC?

  29. K says:

    974.5 is the futures pivot and it’s beaten the futures since 4:30PM last night (OK they did go over to 976 for a while but then got tired)

    will it knock it down again?

  30. phil says:

    DOLLAR is key to puzzle…see how dollar drop is mirror image of stock rally….if correct dollar rally begings soon….spx corrects…then when dollar pulls back spx makes final peak….we will see http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_goypolxEFd4/SnALKgJXSHI/AAAAAAAABaE/wrj-3dGJmR8/s1600-h/uup+60+min.png

  31. K says:

    ok the futures were once again defeated at 974.5 and they are down. i’m off now to the races (nah just stupid meetings)

    I hope to see 950′s when I get back

  32. phil says:

    GOLD already sees the writing on the wall of the dollar rally coming….it is ALREADY trading below its 18dsma…i believe gold will break 850 minimum

  33. phil says:

    Yerk Says:

    July 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
    George, I hope you recover soon! Stay away from these doctors. It is like with a car you bring to a garage. They always find new stuff to fix or break something so you have to come back. Sleep well in your mickey mouse bed-linen.
    >>>>>YERK>>>>>> how the heck do you think i was able to retire at 38?

  34. George says:

    phil,

    Tks. I’m at home again.

    How did you retire at 38?

  35. George says:

    SPY just hit some double bottoms and the 15min stochastic is near 20. Has already bounced some on a Tres Amigas, will see if it hangs on for a Tres Cruzars.

  36. paula says:

    George,
    Hope you have a super quick recovery. Don’t
    slow it down by chasing the nurses around.

  37. George says:

    paula,

    Thanks. My wife is the best nurse of them all so I’ll be chasing her. Wonderful woman.

  38. George says:

    Definately at a crossroads here.

  39. phil says:

    george….sold my medical practice to my partners who wanted to make more money… i told them i think i have enough so they bought me out

  40. phil says:

    george….see the triangle forming ?…i believe we POP THE TOP BEFORE WE FLOP……ie POP up to A then FLOP down to B http://evilspeculator.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/2009-07-28_spx.png

  41. George says:

    S/B definitely. Drugs will do dat.

  42. George says:

    phil,

    Good for you to choose life over $. I know it takes $ to have life, but if one is in a position to enjoy life more… go for it.

  43. marty says:

    Have you all noticed what happened in China? FXP, the 2x inverse up 8% today. Seems likely to be a harbinger of things to come. Happened far more quickly than I’d anticipated…

  44. marty says:

    George,
    Not sure what happened, as I haven’t been reading the thread, but wish you the best!

  45. phil says:

    george.. i loved medicine but i will tell you the story why i quit after 4pm

  46. George says:

    phil, I look forward to that story.

    Marty, I had a couple of hernias that needed repairing. Nothing major.

  47. George says:

    hmmm, some good news must have hit the wire, the market is tanking a little here.

  48. K says:

    lol
    all i know is without my options plays I would be making $1.75 with options am $140

  49. George says:

    SPY on trip bottoms. Volatility may follow.

  50. K says:

    I am loving the vix. just 2 more points baby and i’ll show you some love

  51. Stringm says:

    George

    Glad you are back, hope you get to normal soon. I found a better way to look for new highs. try looking at price range channel indicator. Upper, Mid , and Lower give a fairly neat picture on the hourly.

    String

  52. K says:

    futures gotta hit 959 for me to be happy with this new bear

  53. George says:

    Stringm,

    Tks. Is that a Average True Range (ATR) indicator?

  54. junglegirl says:

    Do or die time right now. Today could be a triangulated E wave. I can see 3-3-3-3-3. So we’ll see if we go up or yesterday was it.

  55. junglegirl says:

    Check the tick on the last sell-off.

  56. Stringm says:

    George

    No it is a price range channel indicator. You wiould have to build it as a custom indicator. Yo can play with the lengths you like I have the Upeer and Lower being shorter with the Mid being longer. Try the custom study wizard.

    String

  57. Stringm says:

    I don’t know what I did with that money Mom gave me for typing lessons, but it sure wasn’t typing lessons.

    String

  58. George says:

    Stringm,

    As long as we get 1/3 of correct letters in a word, that’s all is needed.

  59. George says:

    Joke of the day.

    The only hot dog that needs a warning – Barney “Frank”.

  60. Stringm says:

    George

    I tried figuring out how to plot Buy and Sell backtest signals on a chart, but gave up and called. I have it, but don’t like the results. I always run my test in a lower time interval than what it is written in. Like the one I have now is a hourly, but I run in the 5m interval. If you right click on a results line in the spreadsheet it give you an option to plot. The problem is it puts it on a 5M chart, and no way to change to a 60M.

    That is not why I am posting you though. I just found out you can get the TOS platform now that works with TD Ameritade accounts. So you can get all the TOS market Indicators like TRIN, TICK, etc.

    I don’t even get 1/3 correct George, sometimes I leave out the whole word. Guess that is my brain and not my typing :-)

    String

  61. K says:

    spx is at same level as at 9:39am lol

  62. junglegirl says:

    Alphabet soup (TALF, etc.) has now officially spilled over into the stock market. Instead of ABCDE triangles, we are now getting ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQ triangles. Someone wake me when we get to Z.

  63. K says:

    :P JG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  64. Stringm says:

    JG

    Z’s never come for an insomniac

    String

  65. George says:

    Stringm,

    I think I downloaded TOS several weeks ago. I’m going to activate it and see how it looks. Let me know if you think the programming functionality is better than SD.

  66. junglegirl says:

    Stringm… exactly! “when we get to z… aka sleep… instead of watching this nonsense. That’ll be the time to trade.

  67. George says:

    Inverse trying for those tops again. Got smacked down the last few times.

  68. junglegirl says:

    967 and then up?

  69. K says:

    963 then up

  70. K says:

    oh come on JG SGA needs to be turned on until 963 !

  71. Yerk says:

    paula, I did have a look into the 3/20sma. I ran a test over the dow daily since 28. If 3sma is rising and 20sma rises more than .6% per day the average payout 20 days out is 1stdv above average. For comparison in the last move up the steepest rise was .35% per day. So don’t expect the condition to be met too often – didn’t happen once between 1939 and 1963. Was quite common in the 30ies though. All other combinations deliver either pretty average results or happen to seldom to be significant. What I take from it that the first days of a strong rise in the 20sma is likely to lead to further upside (of course at some point in time the move will top out, which this lagging indicator cannot identify).

  72. George says:

    This is painful… glad I’m on pain meds.

  73. junglegirl says:

    Sorry K, I want my 5.

  74. Charlie says:

    Hi All,

    haven’t posted for about a week now.. been super busy at home with 2 back to back car accidents (both of them involving elderly drivers hitting me), a new baby in the house and now a rolled ankle.. all in the span of 1 week. Crazy crazy times..

    Just my 2 cents.. market is looking toppy, but action isn’t indicative of a major sell-off starting just yet. I’m going to give it a week so that the market decides if it wants to head back down or if it wants to try for SPY 1000 and then short the daylights out of this rally. Just IMO…

    Wishing all the best of luck.. and fat wads of cash!!

  75. George says:

    paula,

    All of my nurses were male :?

  76. Yerk says:

    K thanks for the chart which is showing that national solutions to the crisis will not work (even if the congress is doing its best). Although using mutual share holdings to identify close relationships does not measure systemic risk. AIG is missing on the chart… but it has Bear Stearns on it. Oh well – too much complexity me thinks.

  77. Mitch says:

    Yerk:

    Did you find William Cohen’s “House of Cards” to pass muster?

  78. junglegirl says:

    Charlie,

    Hope next week goes better for you! Hopefully you weren’t hurt in the car accidents.

  79. K says:

    JG it’s ok you just turned my $140 into $64 but we’re still friends

  80. Yerk says:

    Mitch, sorry haven’t read it so can’t comment on it.

  81. Mitch says:

    Yerk:

    Bear Stearns’ had an incredible record for 85 years. When an index was created for MBS, what started as bids turned into back stabbing self serving counterparty low ball marks that started the great deleveraging. The books can have been ran off much more orderly but noooo . . . we had to have a systemic near great depression recession.

  82. Mitch says:

    “The books could have been . . .” Sorry multitasking here.

  83. K says:

    New Futures pivots

    R3 992
    R2 984
    R1 980
    P 972
    S1 968
    S2 960
    S3 956

    Currently at 976 (Above the pivot.) we’ll see if it touches 980 tonight and tomorrow. Just sayin…

  84. K says:

    i just realized this… but on the /ES there is an hr each day where the futures don’t trade? 17:25 -18:45

  85. K says:

    an interesting exit strategy!
    http://is.gd/1Tq4d

  86. paula says:

    Yerk,
    Thamks for your analysis. In my humble
    opinion in order to get a big move you
    need the moving average that defines
    the short term trend and the moving
    average that defines the intermediate
    term trend moving in the same direction.
    I use with success the SPX 3 day moving
    average for the short term trend and the
    SPX 20 day moving average for the
    intermediate term trend. I agree moving
    averages are lagging indicators, and I
    use momentum to time an exit.

  87. paula says:

    Yerk,
    Please excuse typo’s.